we're not against government. this is self-government. this is america. it's us." and he believed that. today, you see so many people in congress who really see government as the enemy, who are unwilling to come together to do even the most basic things like pay our bills. and you can't survive that way. so, the intellectual basis of conservatism seems to have disappeared. the idea that you would, you know, go to war or that you would create a program or whatever else, and not pay for it, was the most anti-conservative thing you could imagine. >> are there any reasons to be against big government? >> oh, sure there are. sure, there are. government can be too big. it can be too expensive. it can regulate too much. sure, it can. but at some point, you push as hard as you can, if you're a conservative, to make government smaller, to make taxes lower. but you can't get it all. you can't win everything all in one fight, because we're a big country and a lot of different views. and you have people on the left and the right who are so full of certitude and so unwilling to